[antlr-interest] ANTLR build and package layout

Trey Spiva Trey.Spiva at embarcadero.com
Thu Sep 19 12:17:47 PDT 2002


--- Terence Parr <parrt at jguru.com> wrote:
Nonetheless, my goal is to make ANTLR useful for You folks.  Hence, if
somebody sends me a fresh Ant script with an explanation so I don't have to
think much, I will consider inserting it and using it for ANTLR builds.

What more do you want.  Why are you thrashing on this issue?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Xue-Feng Yang [mailto:just4look at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:12 PM
> To: antlr-interest at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [antlr-interest] ANTLR build and package layout
> 
> Do you know Ant?
> 
> Sure, you may not think it a fundamental contribution
> to computer science. However, it is much popular.
> 
> 
> Regard the comment. The great man said:"because it
> forces users to type XML". I don't think this is a
> point since only one person needs to write a build.xml
> for ANTLR and all others can share.
> 
> XML is not good if the data itself doesn't have tree
> structure, such as, 2*3+e^(sin(x)). It may result the
> data difficult to read. However, Ant is not the case.
> 
> --- Matt Benson <gudnabrsam at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The article basically says that XML adds levels of
> > complexity the human mind has evolved to infer by
> > reflex.  Hopefully he wouldn't have to explain "why
> > that's bad."  Beyond that, I personally am careful
> > how
> > I speak to those who have made fundamental
> > contributions to computer science.  Have you?
> >
> > Just some thoughts,
> > Matt
> >
> > --- Xue-Feng Yang <just4look at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Totally disagree!
> > >
> > > The link you gave doesn't talk about "why that's
> > > bad".
> > >
> > >
> > > BTW, I wrote several compilers without using any
> > > compiler compiler. However I never think that
> > > compiler
> > > compiler is useless.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Terence Parr <parrt at jguru.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 06:27  AM,
> > > Matt
> > > > Benson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > For whatever it's worth, Brian is not the only
> > > one
> > > > out
> > > > > here who wishes there were an Ant build for
> > > ANTLR.
> > > >
> > > > I am fundamentally opposed to Ant (even though
> > it
> > > is
> > > > reputed to be
> > > > good) because it forces users to type XML.  See
> > > > "Humans Should Not Have
> > > > to Grok XML", which explains why that's bad:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-sbxml.html
> > > >
> > > > I believe I'm pretty persuasive in that article.
> > > ;)
> > > > [though it will
> > > > make no difference whatsoever to most people who
> > > are
> > > > "every language
> > > > should be XML" people--makes me wanna retch, but
> > > > that emotion is a good
> > > > thing since it forced me to make ANTLR (yacc
> > makes
> > >
> > > > me...well..er...yack!)].
> > > >
> > > > Nonetheless, my goal is to make ANTLR useful for
> > > you
> > > > folks.  Hence, if
> > > > somebody sends me a fresh Ant script with an
> > > > explanation so I don't
> > > > have to think much, I will consider inserting it
> > > and
> > > > using it for ANTLR
> > > > builds.
> > > >
> > > > Ter
> > > > --
> > > > Co-founder, http://www.jguru.com
> > > > Creator, ANTLR Parser Generator:
> > > > http://www.antlr.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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