[antlr-interest] ANTLR build and package layout

[Xue-Feng Yang]

You should read everything you inputed!

--- Matt Benson <gudnabrsam at yahoo.com> wrote:
> And with that, the discussion has officially become
> plain silly, no turning back.
> 
> -Matt
> 
> --- Xue-Feng Yang <just4look at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Were I thrashing your issue?
> > 
> > No, I just said:"Totally disagree!" and "The link
> > you
> > gave doesn't talk about 'why that's bad'". Then
> lots
> > of your fans jumped out. That's it. You have a
> good
> > kingdom. They think you are the person like Bool
> and
> > John von Neuman. However, I don't agree again. If
> > you
> > are a real scholar, then you should tell them the
> > truth. The words I inputed is nothing wrong with
> the
> > truth.
> > 
> > Sorry to get into your kingdom. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Totally disagree!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The link you gave doesn't talk about "why
> > > that's
> > > > > > bad".
> > 
> > --- Trey Spiva <Trey.Spiva at embarcadero.com> wrote:
> > > --- Terence Parr <parrt at jguru.com> wrote:
> > > Nonetheless, my goal is to make ANTLR useful for
> > You
> > > folks.  Hence, if
> > > somebody sends me a fresh Ant script with an
> > > explanation so I don't have to
> > > think much, I will consider inserting it and
> using
> > > it for ANTLR builds.
> > > 
> > > What more do you want.  Why are you thrashing on
> > > this issue?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Xue-Feng Yang
> [mailto:just4look at yahoo.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:12 PM
> > > > To: antlr-interest at yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [antlr-interest] ANTLR build and
> > > package layout
> > > > 
> > > > Do you know Ant?
> > > > 
> > > > Sure, you may not think it a fundamental
> > > contribution
> > > > to computer science. However, it is much
> > popular.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Regard the comment. The great man
> said:"because
> > it
> > > > forces users to type XML". I don't think this
> is
> > a
> > > > point since only one person needs to write a
> > > build.xml
> > > > for ANTLR and all others can share.
> > > > 
> > > > XML is not good if the data itself doesn't
> have
> > > tree
> > > > structure, such as, 2*3+e^(sin(x)). It may
> > result
> > > the
> > > > data difficult to read. However, Ant is not
> the
> > > case.
> > > > 
> > > > --- Matt Benson <gudnabrsam at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > The article basically says that XML adds
> > levels
> > > of
> > > > > complexity the human mind has evolved to
> infer
> > > by
> > > > > reflex.  Hopefully he wouldn't have to
> explain
> > > "why
> > > > > that's bad."  Beyond that, I personally am
> > > careful
> > > > > how
> > > > > I speak to those who have made fundamental
> > > > > contributions to computer science.  Have
> you?
> > > > >
> > > > > Just some thoughts,
> > > > > Matt
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Xue-Feng Yang <just4look at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > Totally disagree!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The link you gave doesn't talk about "why
> > > that's
> > > > > > bad".
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW, I wrote several compilers without
> using
> > > any
> > > > > > compiler compiler. However I never think
> > that
> > > > > > compiler
> > > > > > compiler is useless.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Terence Parr <parrt at jguru.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at
> 06:27 
> > > AM,
> > > > > > Matt
> > > > > > > Benson wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For whatever it's worth, Brian is not
> > the
> > > only
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > here who wishes there were an Ant
> build
> > > for
> > > > > > ANTLR.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am fundamentally opposed to Ant (even
> > > though
> > > > > it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > reputed to be
> > > > > > > good) because it forces users to type
> XML.
> > 
> > > See
> > > > > > > "Humans Should Not Have
> > > > > > > to Grok XML", which explains why that's
> > bad:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-sbxml.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I believe I'm pretty persuasive in that
> > > article.
> > > > > > ;)
> > > > > > > [though it will
> > > > > > > make no difference whatsoever to most
> > people
> > > who
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > "every language
> > > > > > > should be XML" people--makes me wanna
> > retch,
> > > but
> > > > > > > that emotion is a good
> > > > > > > thing since it forced me to make ANTLR
> > (yacc
> > > > > makes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > me...well..er...yack!)].
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nonetheless, my goal is to make ANTLR
> > useful
> > > for
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > folks.  Hence, if
> > > > > > > somebody sends me a fresh Ant script
> with
> > an
> > > > > > > explanation so I don't
> > > > > > > have to think much, I will consider
> > > inserting it
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > using it for ANTLR
> > > > > > > builds.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ter
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Co-founder, http://www.jguru.com
> > > > > > > Creator, ANTLR Parser Generator:
> > > > > > > http://www.antlr.org
> > > > > > >
> 
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