[antlr-interest] The matter of licensing...

Thu Feb 5 02:32:38 PST 2004

MAJOR PROBLEMO, I think you might find ...

It's intended that Antlr should be included in commercial products. The
GPL is a no-no here. Large chunks have been contributed by people other
than Ter, and they might be licenced on terms that he is happy with, but
he doesn't have the right to relicence it.

And lastly, Antlr is a code generator. In other words, large chunks of
the stuff it generates would suddenly go GPL. MAJOR headaches for
anybody already doing as Ter wishes, and including it in a commercial
product ...

So no. The GPL would be a disaster here ...

Cheers,
Wol 

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Hi,

Ok, I'm not an expert, nor am I an antlr developer, so this might be a
very 
naive remark, but what if antlr is just re-released under the GPL
license? 
Wouldn't that solve the problem?

Just my 2 cents....

Kind Regards,

Hans

On Thursday 05 February 2004 11:15, Chris Poirier wrote:
> Hi Serge,
>
> > Can you contribute code and break this statement , is that so easy
to
> > break a claim , what did your lawyer(s) argue ?
>
> One cannot assign or reliquish the rights of others.  If someone
> (anyone) contributed code to ANTLR and did not intend for it to be
> placed in the public domain, then it wasn't, regardless of what the
core
> development team intended.
>
> Addi's lawyer has a reasonable concern, and what we need is a
> clarification from those "in the know" about what steps were taken to
> ensure that all contributions were also placed in the public domain by
> their respective authors.
>
> > If not , we have better to do than discussing about software rights
,
> > even if the investment returns is delayed .
>
> Unfortunately, it's not that simple.  I'll be using ANTLR primarily
for
> open-source projects.  But I can't offer a license on code I do not
own
> or for which I do not hold the legal right to do so.  Which means I
> lose the protection of that license (ie. that I cannot be sued for
> damages) when I offer the code for use.
>
> As an example, if a company using my open-source, ANTLR-based software
> is sued by such a contributor (one who contributed to ANTLR without
> placing the code in the public domain or by providing some other
> sufficiently open-source license), that company can turn around and
sue
> me for those damages.
>
> Maybe you feel differently, but for me, it's well worth my time to
> verify this stuff now.  And if I can't get those assurances, then I'll
> probably be following Addi's company's lead in not using ANTLR.  And I
> doubt I'll be the only open-source developer to do so.  And that would
> be a real shame.
>
> Later,
>    Chris.
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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