[antlr-interest] submission of patches, fixes, other contributions

[Anthony Youngman]

I have to add, though, that just because it hasn't been tested in court
doesn't mean that it hasn't been tested. The GPL has a long history of
even big companies throwing in the towel without a fight when
threatened.
 
And the GPL has been tested in court. On several occasions.
 
But yes, I do know that it's not the licence being used for Antlr ...
 
Cheers,
Wol

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From: antlr-interest-bounces at antlr.org
[mailto:antlr-interest-bounces at antlr.org] On Behalf Of Loring Craymer
Sent: 31 May 2005 03:52
To: 'Scott Stanchfield'; 'Lloyd Dupont'; 'John D. Mitchell'; 'ANTLR
Interest'
Subject: RE: [antlr-interest] submission of patches, fixes, other
contributions



If lawsuits could not be used as an element of corporate warfare, length
would not matter.  As it is, one goal of an Open Source license is to
make lawsuits untenable, whether by secondary (and primary) developers
against users or by users against developers or by third parties (as in
the SCO/IBM case).  With lawyers involved, clauses get added to
eliminate sources of lawsuits (and it doesn't matter if the sources
would be spurious or not:  lawsuits can tie up day-to-day operations of
a business) and the license grows.

 

For some perspective on how Open Source lawsuits can be used in
corporate warfare, see

http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=160902263

http://news.com.com/2010-1071_3-1020184.html

and other articles relating to the SCO/IBM Linux lawsuit.  Also, take a
look at

http://www.cioinsight.com/article2/0,1397,1779913,00.asp

for an example of copyright abuse in other arenas.

 

Fortunately, Open Source software usually benefits all parties involved
so lawsuits are uncommon.  Unfortunately, that also means that Open
Source licenses have not adequately been tested in court.

 

--Loring

 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: antlr-interest-bounces at antlr.org [mailto:antlr-interest-

> bounces at antlr.org] On Behalf Of Scott Stanchfield

> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 6:15 PM

> To: 'Lloyd Dupont'; 'John D. Mitchell'; 'ANTLR Interest'

> Subject: RE: [antlr-interest] submission of patches, fixes, other

> contributions

> 

> > Is it important to have long licence document to make it valid?

> 

> The name of the game is "Cover Thy Ass"

> 

> -- Scott

> 

 



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