[antlr-interest] ANTLR build and package layout

[Trey Spiva]

First you did not notice that I am NOT Terence Parr!!!!  Therefore, I do not
have a kingdom or any loyal fans.  The term "trashing" means that you are
not letting the issue rest.  Give it up.  I am tired of being flooded with
your pointless emails.  

Terence has already said that he will include a Ant script with the
distribution.  So what is the point in this discussion.

BTW you should take your own advice " You should read everything you
inputed!"  First read the email very carefully before responding.  Maybe you
would have noticed that I was not Terence before responding.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Xue-Feng Yang [mailto:just4look at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:14 PM
> To: antlr-interest at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [antlr-interest] ANTLR build and package layout
> 
> Were I thrashing your issue?
> 
> No, I just said:"Totally disagree!" and "The link you
> gave doesn't talk about 'why that's bad'". Then lots
> of your fans jumped out. That's it. You have a good
> kingdom. They think you are the person like Bool and
> John von Neuman. However, I don't agree again. If you
> are a real scholar, then you should tell them the
> truth. The words I inputed is nothing wrong with the
> truth.
> 
> Sorry to get into your kingdom.
> 
> 
> 
> Totally disagree!
> > > > >
> > > > > The link you gave doesn't talk about "why
> > that's
> > > > > bad".
> 
> --- Trey Spiva <Trey.Spiva at embarcadero.com> wrote:
> > --- Terence Parr <parrt at jguru.com> wrote:
> > Nonetheless, my goal is to make ANTLR useful for You
> > folks.  Hence, if
> > somebody sends me a fresh Ant script with an
> > explanation so I don't have to
> > think much, I will consider inserting it and using
> > it for ANTLR builds.
> >
> > What more do you want.  Why are you thrashing on
> > this issue?
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Xue-Feng Yang [mailto:just4look at yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:12 PM
> > > To: antlr-interest at yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [antlr-interest] ANTLR build and
> > package layout
> > >
> > > Do you know Ant?
> > >
> > > Sure, you may not think it a fundamental
> > contribution
> > > to computer science. However, it is much popular.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regard the comment. The great man said:"because it
> > > forces users to type XML". I don't think this is a
> > > point since only one person needs to write a
> > build.xml
> > > for ANTLR and all others can share.
> > >
> > > XML is not good if the data itself doesn't have
> > tree
> > > structure, such as, 2*3+e^(sin(x)). It may result
> > the
> > > data difficult to read. However, Ant is not the
> > case.
> > >
> > > --- Matt Benson <gudnabrsam at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > The article basically says that XML adds levels
> > of
> > > > complexity the human mind has evolved to infer
> > by
> > > > reflex.  Hopefully he wouldn't have to explain
> > "why
> > > > that's bad."  Beyond that, I personally am
> > careful
> > > > how
> > > > I speak to those who have made fundamental
> > > > contributions to computer science.  Have you?
> > > >
> > > > Just some thoughts,
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > > --- Xue-Feng Yang <just4look at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > Totally disagree!
> > > > >
> > > > > The link you gave doesn't talk about "why
> > that's
> > > > > bad".
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, I wrote several compilers without using
> > any
> > > > > compiler compiler. However I never think that
> > > > > compiler
> > > > > compiler is useless.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Terence Parr <parrt at jguru.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thursday, September 19, 2002, at 06:27
> > AM,
> > > > > Matt
> > > > > > Benson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > For whatever it's worth, Brian is not the
> > only
> > > > > one
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > here who wishes there were an Ant build
> > for
> > > > > ANTLR.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am fundamentally opposed to Ant (even
> > though
> > > > it
> > > > > is
> > > > > > reputed to be
> > > > > > good) because it forces users to type XML.
> > See
> > > > > > "Humans Should Not Have
> > > > > > to Grok XML", which explains why that's bad:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/x-sbxml.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe I'm pretty persuasive in that
> > article.
> > > > > ;)
> > > > > > [though it will
> > > > > > make no difference whatsoever to most people
> > who
> > > > > are
> > > > > > "every language
> > > > > > should be XML" people--makes me wanna retch,
> > but
> > > > > > that emotion is a good
> > > > > > thing since it forced me to make ANTLR (yacc
> > > > makes
> > > > >
> > > > > > me...well..er...yack!)].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nonetheless, my goal is to make ANTLR useful
> > for
> > > > > you
> > > > > > folks.  Hence, if
> > > > > > somebody sends me a fresh Ant script with an
> > > > > > explanation so I don't
> > > > > > have to think much, I will consider
> > inserting it
> > > > > and
> > > > > > using it for ANTLR
> > > > > > builds.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ter
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Co-founder, http://www.jguru.com
> > > > > > Creator, ANTLR Parser Generator:
> > > > > > http://www.antlr.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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