[antlr-interest] Re: Managed to compile under .Net !!

tdjastrzebski tdjastrzebski at yahoo.com
Thu Jul 3 03:07:12 PDT 2003


> Where's the legal stuff saying it CAN'T be compatible?

http://safariexamples.informit.com/0130320722/mslegal/java/settlement.
html
- see section 6(a) and others
They can not even improve performance (!) - section 7(a)iii

Well, you are right. It can be compatible but ... they (MS) would 
need a new license for it. Current license does not allow them to go 
beyond version 1.1.4 (http://java.sun.com/pr/2001/01/pr010123-
01.html).

I think MS is just afraid that if they continue to develop new 
versions compatible with new "official" versions Sun could try to 
prove in court that this is still Java but named J#. (J++ was not 
named Java too). And they would probably win.

Of course MS could get a new license but I am not sure they actually 
could. And right now, I am sure, they do not want to.
Remember, whatever they say this is primary about business and 
competition.

> MS is acting like a spoilt brat

Well, I think it is kind of new Sun's point of view, when they want 
MS to distribute their VM :) But read their older statements...

Cheers,
Tom Jastrzebski



<Anthony.Youngman at E...> wrote:
> Where's the legal stuff saying it CAN'T be compatible?
> 
> The whole legal fuss was over the fact that MS was calling their 
stuff
> "Java" when it couldn't pass the certification tests, and was
> *deliberately* making their implementation appear to produce 
portable
> code when it was stuffed with Win32 extensions.
> 
> As far as I know, there is ABSOLUTELY NO BARRIER to MS including
> Java-compatibility stuff. The two points at issue are that MS is 
acting
> like a spoilt brat, and that Sun got an injunction saying that MS
> couldn't call it "Java" unless it could pass the Java-compatibility
> tests (or in other words "don't abuse our trademark").
> 
> Cheers,
> Wol.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tdjastrzebski [mailto:tdjastrzebski at y...] 
> Sent: 02 July 2003 23:10
> To: antlr-interest at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [antlr-interest] Re: Managed to compile under .Net !!
> 
> 
> > I was also able to use J# to generate Tool.exe file for .NET
> > As Tom mentioned, there was only one change needed, which it 
seems 
> Microsoft
> > team missed from their java library implementation.
> 
> They did not forget. This is a legal issue. J# can be Java 
compatible 
> up to version 1.1.4 while File.getParentFile() was introduced in 
jdk 
> 1.2.
> Tom Jastrzebski
> 
> 
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