[antlr-interest] Re: ANTLR Studio AVAILABLE for DOWNLOAD !!!

Sun Oct 9 18:26:29 PDT 2005

Please note that this is not the final antlrstudio site. It is currently
meant only for people who would like to try out a pre release version of AS.
As such it contains very little information and handholding. Its really just
a bunch of html files which i manually update with hand to announce the
release of videos and betas.

The new web site which i am currently designing, which will be up on the day
of the final release, will have all the information that you possibly need
to understand and get started with ANTLR Studio :)

PRASHANT

On 10/10/05, Don Caton <dcaton at shorelinesoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Prashant:
>  Ok, but I didn't watch the videos, I tend to ignore things like that (I
> have Flash blocked too). I'm a "just give me the facts" kind of guy. You
> should have something on the web site making it clear what the product is,
> and what its requirements are. That's pretty standard stuff for any product.
>  In any case, yes, I know I need to download Java and Eclipse. I think you
> kinda missed the point of my message. There's lots of links on the Eclipse
> download page. Knowing nothing whatsoever about Eclipse, how is one supposed
> to know what is needed to run your plug in? Is the SDK enough? Do I need the
> Java Development tools or the Plugin Environment or the Platform? How about
> the Visual Editor?
>  And if you go to Sun's site, there's links to all sorts of things named
> "java" this and "java" that. There's "Java 2 Standard Edition" on the
> downloads page, and there's links to J2SE 5.0, J2SE 1.4.2 and J2SE 1.3.1.
> I don't see any "JVM 1.5".
>  One of your earlier posts today started out: "As you guys already know,
> if you try using AS(ANTLR Studio) with AE(ANTLR Eclipse)..." No, not of us
> "already know". That's the point I was trying to make in my original post.
> If you're only focused on those who already know Java and Eclipse, that's
> fine. Maybe that's covers most of the Antlr community, but you shouldn't
> assume that everyone already knows about any particular platform, language
> or development environment.
>  A short "here's how to get started on a Windows machine without Java"
> document would be a great help. I'd invest the time to look at Antlr Studio
> if I knew exactly what to install to get up and running with a minimum of
> fuss. But I don't have time to go digging around Sun's site or figuring out
> what parts of Eclipse I need to install. Like most developers, I've got too
> much work to get done and too few hours in the day to do it <g>.
>  Don
>  ------------------------------
>  *From:* antlr-interest-bounces at antlr.org [mailto:
> antlr-interest-bounces at antlr.org] *On Behalf Of *Prashant Deva
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 09, 2005 6:24 PM
> *To:* ANTLR Interest
> *Subject:* Fwd: [antlr-interest] Re: ANTLR Studio AVAILABLE for DOWNLOAD
> !!!
>
>
> Hi Don,
> Actually the videos make it quite clear that it is for eclipse.
>
> And you can use it for C++, although debugging wont work in such a case.
> But you can easily use the grammar editor to type your antlr grammar and
> put c++ code inside the actions.
>
> To run AS, you need to download JVM 1.5 from Sun's site and Eclipse 3.1from
> eclipse.org <http://eclipse.org> :)
>
> PRASHANT
>
> On 10/9/05, Don Caton < dcaton at shorelinesoftware.com> wrote:
> >
> > Prashant:
> >  This may not be the kind of feedback you were looking for, so take it
> > for whatever it's worth.
> >  I'm a Windows, C++ guy. I spend most of my life inside Visual Studio,
> > and I don't know anything about Java or Eclipse. I have plenty of C++ work
> > and precious little spare time, so I really have no desire to tinker with
> > Java or Eclipse. It's hard enough to find time to cut the grass.
> >  I go to your web site in anticipation of downloading an IDE for Antlr.
> > Nice screen shots, looks really interesting. .But nowhere does it say that
> > this is a plug-in for some other IDE, at least nowhere that was obvious to
> > me. I eventually figure that out and do a Google search for Eclipse. Now I'm
> > faced with a large array of things to download. Do I just need the Eclipse
> > SDK, or do I need any of the other stuff?
> >  Then I notice that you need Java to run Eclipse. Great. Now I'm faced
> > with the prospect of downloading three things from three different sources,
> > hoping I choose the right downloads and that I install them in the proper
> > order, and hoping that they'll all play nice and work together. And more
> > important, I have to hope that installing all this stuff doesn't somehow
> > hose up my development machine.
> >  Faced with the prospect of wasting many hours trying to get all of this
> > to work vs., getting back to the mountain of work I have to do, I close
> > my browser and get back to work.
> >  Now, I realize that your target audience is probably Java people and
> > installing Java and Eclipse might be as simple to you guys as installing
> > Visual Studio is to me. If there was some assurance that this stuff is
> > fairly painless to install and get running, I'd take a look at Antlr Studio
> > and most likely, purchase a copy, as long as it can work with Antlr's C++
> > generated parsers. No interest in creating or debugging Java-based parsers.
> > C# would be a plus, but C++ is a must.
> >  I looked for some hand-holding article on your web site, but didn't
> > find anything at all that would help a Java/Eclipse-challenged programmer
> > such as myself. Maybe most of the people in the Antlr world are Java people,
> > so I realize that this might not be worth your time.
> >  My 2 cents, hope its useful.
> >  Don
> >    ------------------------------
> >  *From:* antlr-interest-bounces at antlr.org [mailto:antlr-interest-bounces at antlr.org]
> > *On Behalf Of *Prashant Deva
> > *Sent:* Sunday, October 09, 2005 6:25 AM
> > *To:* ANTLR Interest
> > *Subject:* [antlr-interest] Re: ANTLR Studio AVAILABLE for DOWNLOAD !!!
> >
> >  Ahem... Some sort of feedback would be useful :)
> >
> > PRASHANT
> >
> > On 10/9/05, Prashant Deva <prashant.deva at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I forgot to mention that you will need-
> > > Eclipse 3.1 or higher
> > > Java 5 or higher
> > > to install Antlr Studio.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/9/05, Prashant Deva <prashant.deva at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok, wait is finally over :)
> > > >
> > > > You can download it from -
> > > > http://www.antlrstudio.com
> > > >
> > > > Note that the new web site and the shopping system are not available
> > > > yet, so i am still calling this a beta.
> > > > For details please look at my latest blog posting.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Prashant Deva
> > > > Creator, ANTLR Studio, http://www.antlrstudio.com
> > > > Founder, Placid Systems
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Prashant Deva
> > > Creator, ANTLR Studio, http://www.antlrstudio.com
> > > Founder, Placid Systems
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Prashant Deva
> > Creator, ANTLR Studio, http://www.antlrstudio.com
> > Founder, Placid Systems
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Prashant Deva
> Creator, ANTLR Studio, http://www.antlrstudio.com
> Founder, Placid Systems
>
>
> --
> Prashant Deva
> Creator, ANTLR Studio, http://www.antlrstudio.com
> Founder, Placid Systems
>
>

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Prashant Deva
Creator, ANTLR Studio, http://www.antlrstudio.com
Founder, Placid Systems
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