[antlr-interest] ANTLR 3.0 beta timing

Loring Craymer craymer at warpiv.com
Sat Jun 10 19:52:15 PDT 2006


Oh no!  What are we going to do when we can't catch the newbies with
approximate LL(k)?  That will reduce a fair amount of message traffic in the
list.

--Loring

> -----Original Message-----
> From: antlr-interest-bounces at antlr.org [mailto:antlr-interest-
> bounces at antlr.org] On Behalf Of Terence Parr
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:13 PM
> To: ANTLR Interest
> Subject: Re: [antlr-interest] ANTLR 3.0 beta timing
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2006, at 2:30 PM, Brian Cox wrote:
> 
> > On Friday 09 June 2006 20:11, Terence Parr wrote:
> >> Any comments on v3 timing or the idea of lulu.com?
> >
> > Sounds good to me!  My only concern so far has been the reliance on
> > ANTLR
> > 2.7.6 for using ANTLR v3, but if you can now or will be able to
> > soon build
> > ANTLR v3 with itself I'd imagine that little problem will soon be
> > history.
> 
> Yeah, relying on v2 is a drag, but ST relies on it also and so BOTH
> tools need to be updated.  Note that this is ONLY for the tool itself
> and not the generated code.  The generated code is v3 clean.
> 
> > To be honest, I started using ANTLR v3 some weeks ago after much
> > frustration
> > with ANTLR 2.7.6.
> 
> heh heh heh
> 
> > For some reason, I couldn't get an ANTLR 2 grammar of my
> > own making to be accepted by ANTLR 2, let alone getting it to build
> > AST
> > trees.  With ANTLR v3, it's been relatively easy!
> 
> Now that is an endorsement!
> 
> > Initially, the "early
> > access" nature of v3 scared me away, but I'm glad I finally took
> > the plunge
> > and am eagerly awaiting the beta releases and, eventually, the
> > final release
> > of 3.0 and whatever feature enhancements await us for v3.1.
> 
> :)
> 
> The early access is my way of saying "the world will change out from
> underneath you maybe".  However, it has proven rather serviceable.  I
> found it very effective building my start on Mantra (http://
> www.linguamantra.org) and I found my first actual bug in the analysis
> engine in over a year...I messed something up a while ago and it just
> surfaced.  I was able to fix in 30 minutes and the resulting code is
> simpler and more efficient. :)
> 
> Trust me, v3 works.  It's just the fringes which are a little shaky.
> I'm now in bug fix mode and it will go beta w/o a real manual.  Then
> I work on the manual, but 3.0 final will definitely appear before
> school starts.
> 
> I'm trying to sneak incremental parsing into 3.0, but it might not
> make it.  Prashant Deva, of ANTLRStudio fame, and I are trying to
> formalize his strategy from ANTLRStudio but I'm completely focused on
> getting 3.0 out and to finish the journal paper with Jean Bovet on
> ANTLRWorks.
> 
> Terence



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