[antlr-interest] "Language design patterns" book available in beta

[Sam Barnett-Cormack]

Terence Parr wrote:
> Hi. Isn't it annoying though to get a description of something (say in  
> a printed book) and then have to go to the machine to read along in  
> the code?

Not as annoying as having complete working code that's an example of 
something that's insufficiently explained... a lot of books go with the 
approach of a full description, illustrative (but brief!) snippets, and 
full code downloadable. I like this approach.

Sam, planning to buy the Dead Tree Edition when it's out

> On Jun 5, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Edwards, Waverly wrote:
> 
>> I am getting quite a bit out of the descriptions of the patterns.
>> I think that by giving the descriptions you provide the framework so  
>> if
>> someone were to look at code, it will make sense.  If I had code but
>> less description of the pattern then the moment of discovery may not
>> occur.  I am really liking the descriptions and the inline reference
>> to other pages or chapters.  I see how they are related and the mental
>> connections are being made.  I think if you read the book and look at
>> the related source code outside of the book, it will make sense but
>> the reverse would not be true.
>>
>> Also putting the full source puts pressure to leave something else  
>> out.
>>
>> I favor a robust pattern description.
>>
>>
>> W.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Terence Parr [mailto:parrt at cs.usfca.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:40 PM
>> To: Edwards, Waverly
>> Cc: antlr ANTLR
>> Subject: Re: [antlr-interest] "Language design patterns" book  
>> available in beta
>>
>> Glad to hear the book is meeting your expectations. I only have about
>> 80 pages left and I just consumed 26 of those four the first of the
>> interpreter chapters. doh!
>>
>> If I have to skimp to make it into only 350 pages, where should I be
>> terse? should I skip patterns or should I include the full source code
>> for the pattern and a less verbose description?
>>
>> Ter
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2009, at 7:00 AM, Edwards, Waverly wrote:
>>
>>> I'll pay extra for the extra material.
>>>> From what I've seen so far, it will be well worth it.
>>>
>>> W.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: antlr-interest-bounces at antlr.org [mailto:antlr-interest-bounces at antlr.org
>>> ] On Behalf Of ugol
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:28 PM
>>> To: Terence Parr
>>> Cc: String Template Mailing LIst; antlr ANTLR
>>> Subject: Re: [antlr-interest] "Language design patterns" book
>>> available in beta
>>>
>>>> ha! Yeah, we don't want to create a very intimidating huge book
>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>> I know what you mean. as I started this interpreter chapter, I felt
>>>> like I  could finally start the book! I had gone through all of the
>>>> preliminary material.  Readers could parse, build an intermediate
>>>> representation, walk trees, track and resolve symbols, and do
>>>> semantic
>>>> analysis such as static type checking.
>>>>
>>> If you really run out of pages, just publish additional material on
>>> the site... but limitating the most interesting part of the book is
>>> crazy!!!!!
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> uL
>>>
>>> Pragmatist
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Sam Barnett-Cormack