[antlr-interest] Syntax- highlighter and completition

[Jim Idle]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas Stefik [mailto:stefika at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 10:59 AM
> To: Jim Idle
> Cc: antlr-interest at antlr.org
> Subject: Re: [antlr-interest] Syntax- highlighter and completition
> 
> Hey there,
> 
> Yes, you can use any of the netbeans platform code standalone. As for the
> Jar size, this is not entirely correct. 

Yep, it is. Just create a blank Netbeans Platform Application on 6.9 without
anything else and see how much code you need to package it as a single jar
with dependencies: 7,329KB Then add a few modules!

> The size of the NetBeans platform apps
> generated (i.e., what is bundled), is correlated with the properties you
set in
> your module suite. In other words, if you include C compilers, java
compilers,
> and all sorts of other goodies built into netbeans then, yes, your
distribution
> can be a few hundred megs. If, however, you don't include them (and you
> shouldn't, if you don't need them), then the files are not particularly
large. I
> forget off the top of my head the size of an empty module suite distro,
but it
> isn't much, for modern software.

Ah, and therein lies the rub. Why does 'modern' software need to be so
'big'? No need to answer that ;-) So, we are talking about personal opinion
as to what is 'big' and I am from an era where a 300K shared runtime library
in C would be considered pretty huge :-)

Now, I personally think Netbeans is really good; I worked on the integration
of ANTLR/JavaFX  with some of the Netbeans team and I use Netbeans over
anything else as a Java IDE. But there is no getting away from the fact that
all these Java platforms require lots of jars and dependencies and the
memory footprint can be a problem. 

So, as I said, if such things are not a problem for your environment then it
matters little, but for instance I have a project where I would have liked
to use it, but the embedded device just does not have enough storage to
deliver it  to the client for instance.

Jim 


> 
> Stefik
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Jim Idle <jimi at temporal-wave.com> wrote:
> > You can use the Netbeans SDK/Framework to create your own standalone
> > system, however it is a rather large set of jars. That only matters is
> > space would be a constraint though. However it saves you the trouble
> > of coding docking toolbars, editing and so on and you can let someone
else
> maintain all that .
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: antlr-interest-bounces at antlr.org [mailto:antlr-interest-
> >> bounces at antlr.org] On Behalf Of "Paul Bouché (NSN - DE, Berlin)"
> >> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 1:35 AM
> >> To: ext Andreas Stefik
> >> Cc: antlr-interest at antlr.org; Nieves.Salor.Moral at esa.int
> >> Subject: Re: [antlr-interest] Syntax- highlighter and completition
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> so this is really interesting. Do you know if the text editing
> >> components
> > are
> >> available standalone from NetBeans - I heard such a thing?
> >>
> >> BR,
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> ext Andreas Stefik schrieb:
> >> > Hi there,
> >> >
> >> > Another option you have is to use the NetBeans platform for these
> >> > editor tasks. Basically, you keep a list of whatever you want
> >> > (e.g., what methods have been parsed, what variables, tokens), and
> >> > you pass them to the platform's APIs specifically designed for
> >> > parsing, highlighting, etc. All of the threading/highlighting/user
> >> > interface work is done for you, is commercially scalable, and works
> >> > extremely well behind the scenes.
> >> >
> >> > Like anything, it isn't trivial to do, but the APIs for
> >> > parsing/code completion/syntax highlighting are pretty
> >> > straightforward and there are tutorials online on how to do it with
> >> > ANTLR. Here's one, for
> >> > example:
> >> >
> >> > http://wiki.netbeans.org/Netbeans_Rcp_Antlr_Integration_Index
> >> >
> >> > Hope that helps,
> >> >
> >> > Andreas Stefik
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:40 AM,  <Nieves.Salor.Moral at esa.int> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Helllo!!
> >> >>
> >> >> I think this is an old topic, but looking at the list I haven't
> >> >> found a clear answer to the problem. I am trying to do a system
> >> >> that opens in a swing panel an specific type file, which follows
> >> >> my specific grammar and allows its editing.
> >> >> Hence, I want to add syntax-highlighting and also auto completion
> >> >> to the file (both in the editing and in the only reading), But
> >> >> also I should show the syntax tree.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have my ANTLR grammar running (pluto.g) and tested with current
> >> >> output as a flat AST tree. But I am not entirely sure what to do
next.
> >> >>
> >> >> My first option is to specify as output templates and use directly
> >> >> from the parser grammar StringTemplate with the output specifying
> >> >> the colors, font, etc in a kind of HTML similar code and later
> >> >> plug-in in the swing panel Second option, is to create a Parser
> >> >> Tree and later on, use the templates Third, forget the parser and
> >> >> just use the lexer????
> >> >>
> >> >> The problem is that the final goal of the system is to create SQL
> >> >> queries to insert/modify in a DB the information that contains the
> >> grammar.
> >> >>
> >> >> Any outputs are welcome, thanks
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nieves Salor Moral
> >> >>
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